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silverFork 4 hours ago [-]
Impressive you know. They are a few months behind but still the world uses their models. Bet you because the users suspect that Americans will pull the rug from under them. Few months behind versus being left behind forever. Would have been nice to know the differences in spending between the models but I suspect the data is impossible to collect.
matheusmoreira 50 seconds ago [-]
It's not a suspicion, it has actually happened. US government briefly banned Fable for non-americans, and the american corporations pick and choose who has access to their unrestricted models which in practice excludes even american citizens to say nothing of foreigners like myself.
They are literally segmenting the world into haves and have-nots, just like nuclear power. Thank god China is out there and constantly undermining them with their non-stop open weights model releases.
The best situation for us is one where they struggle against each other endlessly without any hope of victory. The second either of them wins, it's over for us and oppression will quickly follow.
lowbloodsugar 3 hours ago [-]
They are good enough and vastly cheaper. It’s not fear of the future. It’s economic reality of the present.
amirmc 2 hours ago [-]
That’s certainly part of it. I think people underestimate the value of getting to ‘good enough’. Once that’s reached, the economics start to be more of a factor in decision making.
However, I think geopolitics has also become a factor as the very existence of this article indicates.
esseph 2 hours ago [-]
> However, I think geopolitics has also become a factor
The world powers have only said things like "bigger and more important than the Manhattan project”.
So what gives you that idea?
tamaker 2 hours ago [-]
Really important work here. Really glad it's being shared a) with US Leadership and b) with the community.
verdverm 4 hours ago [-]
This is a prepared statement for congress by Nathan Lambert, author of https://rlhfbook.com/ and AllenAi employee (one of the few who have shared their models as open source)
As an aside, it’s always funny to me that anybody outside of Europe listens to anything the Europeans say about AI. The Europeans literally have zero skin in the game. Their entire raison d’être is just to pass regulations that they then attempt to extraterritorially enforce, but they contribute almost nothing to the area of interest. It’s legit insane to me.
The contributions they make vs the amount of inconvenience they are vis-a-vis compliance with their own esoteric rules probably fit some Pareto maximum of 20% of users requiring 80% of the work for compliance. The rest of us (ie, the non-European world) should honestly just point and laugh and then move on when these people try to influence things.
sneurlax 11 minutes ago [-]
Zero Mistrals in the game eh
Transformanshen 2 hours ago [-]
DeepSeek and Qwen set a floor American open-weight models can't match without subsidy or a different cost structure, and that price/performance ratio drives adoption more than benchmarks.
mapontosevenths 24 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic is profitable now. They have massive debt looming over them, but they're at least making more than they spend each quarter.
aesthesia 2 hours ago [-]
It's worth noting that Chinese AI labs aren't profitable, so in some sense they're not doing it without subsidy either.
They are literally segmenting the world into haves and have-nots, just like nuclear power. Thank god China is out there and constantly undermining them with their non-stop open weights model releases.
The best situation for us is one where they struggle against each other endlessly without any hope of victory. The second either of them wins, it's over for us and oppression will quickly follow.
However, I think geopolitics has also become a factor as the very existence of this article indicates.
The world powers have only said things like "bigger and more important than the Manhattan project”.
So what gives you that idea?
The contributions they make vs the amount of inconvenience they are vis-a-vis compliance with their own esoteric rules probably fit some Pareto maximum of 20% of users requiring 80% of the work for compliance. The rest of us (ie, the non-European world) should honestly just point and laugh and then move on when these people try to influence things.